http://www.albertmohler.com/radio_show.php?cdate=2008-07-03

Mark Dever actually agrees with Hauerwas that patriotic worship services are problematic but the host misunderstands Hauerwas (who does not communicate very clearly perhaps to this audience) to mean that there is no difference between the U.S.A. and Nazi Germany whereas Hauerwas merely suggests that there is very serious danger in aligning Christian interests too closely with national ones as was done in Nazi German by Lutheran and Catholic Christians.

The Albert Mohler Radio Program
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Date: Thursday, July 03, 2008
Program Title: Should We Be Patriots In The Pew?
Program Notes: Guest Host: Dr. Russell Moore
Guests: Mark Dever and Stanley Hauerwas
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Description: As Americans celebrate Independence Day, many churches across the country will include patriotic elements in their worship services this weekend. But is such a component nothing more than nationalist idolatry? Or is it an appropriate display of thankfulness to God for our freedoms? On today’s program, guest host Russell Moore welcomes Mark Dever and Stanley Hauerwas for a provocative conversation on the subject.

Thanks for stopping by. I’ve actually been meaning to delve into Tanner’s work a bit more deeply. Thanks for the feedback and the recommendation.

It is precisely this eschatological collapse that I find most troubling. Rather than Christ/Culture it tends to Church/Culture in a way that is simply not possible because we who are the Church will bring in our various cultures, some of which is redeemable and some not in the light of Christ.

I’m also suspicious of those who declare another’s salvation in doubt. Something of humility is lacking in such bombast.

The Princeton Seminary Bulletin 28:2 (2007)
Why Did Jesus Have to Die?: An Attempt to Cross the Barrier of Age by Stanley Hauerwas

http://digital.library.ptsem.edu/default.xqy?src=PSB2007282.xml&div=8