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		<title>By: rhapsodysinger</title>
		<link>http://thinkingreed.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-pope-still-catholic/#comment-22813</link>
		<dc:creator>rhapsodysinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved your lucidity...incidentally, while folks harp on the faults of Catholics, some other religious leaders are never quoted, both rightly or wrongly, by the media. Otherwise their heads may roll.
Am a Hindu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved your lucidity&#8230;incidentally, while folks harp on the faults of Catholics, some other religious leaders are never quoted, both rightly or wrongly, by the media. Otherwise their heads may roll.<br />
Am a Hindu.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, as I was looking back over a paper I presented, I mentioned some of this in my own citations.  Kierkegaard &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; talk about this in his &lt;i&gt;Concluding Unscientific Postscript to&lt;/i&gt; Philosophical Fragments in the section called &quot;Subjective Truth, Inwardness; Truth is Subjectivity.&quot;  In a footnote Climacus  says:

&quot;The thesis that all knowing is recollecting belongs to speculative thought, and recollecting is immanence, and point of view of speculation and the eternal there is no paradox.  The difficulty, however, is that no human being is speculation, but the speculating person is an existing human being, subject to the claims of existence&quot; (p. 206n).

Over the course of the next few pages, there are repetitive variations on this: &quot;The eternal truth has come into existence in time.  This is the paradox&quot; (p. 209) and, &quot;When the eternal truth relates itself to an existing person, it becomes the paradox&quot; (ibid).

In other words, he is critiquing the speculative efforts to get outside of existence to achieve a bird&#039;s-eye view of reality when in fact this is impossible.  From our standpoint, which we cannot get out of, there is in fact a paradox.  This is, of course, all a part of Kierkegaard&#039;s deep &#039;existentialism&#039;, which was typically in response to the Danish Hegelians (than it was to Hegel, usually).  So, in sum, for Kirkegaard/Climcaus, we can most likely never get outside of our subjectivity which will entail how things &#039;appear&#039; on our end.

Peace,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, as I was looking back over a paper I presented, I mentioned some of this in my own citations.  Kierkegaard <i>does</i> talk about this in his <i>Concluding Unscientific Postscript to</i> Philosophical Fragments in the section called &#8220;Subjective Truth, Inwardness; Truth is Subjectivity.&#8221;  In a footnote Climacus  says:</p>
<p>&#8220;The thesis that all knowing is recollecting belongs to speculative thought, and recollecting is immanence, and point of view of speculation and the eternal there is no paradox.  The difficulty, however, is that no human being is speculation, but the speculating person is an existing human being, subject to the claims of existence&#8221; (p. 206n).</p>
<p>Over the course of the next few pages, there are repetitive variations on this: &#8220;The eternal truth has come into existence in time.  This is the paradox&#8221; (p. 209) and, &#8220;When the eternal truth relates itself to an existing person, it becomes the paradox&#8221; (ibid).</p>
<p>In other words, he is critiquing the speculative efforts to get outside of existence to achieve a bird&#8217;s-eye view of reality when in fact this is impossible.  From our standpoint, which we cannot get out of, there is in fact a paradox.  This is, of course, all a part of Kierkegaard&#8217;s deep &#8216;existentialism&#8217;, which was typically in response to the Danish Hegelians (than it was to Hegel, usually).  So, in sum, for Kirkegaard/Climcaus, we can most likely never get outside of our subjectivity which will entail how things &#8216;appear&#8217; on our end.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Lee</title>
		<link>http://thinkingreed.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-pope-still-catholic/#comment-21948</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weird, I didn&#039;t mean to put that last smiley winky thing.  Makes me look extra dorky, hah.

I&#039;m not sure what S.K. would say either, because he was usually--ironically--at an pseudonymously ironic distance in his aesthetic works.  Although, Anti-Climacus also does call Jesus Christ the &quot;sign of contradiction&quot; as he continued to talk about the paradoxical nature of the God-man.  Usually these things are built off the logical notion but point to more than that.  But who knows.  

I do know that Thomas Aquinas has a bit about how this stuff about Christ&#039;s two natures only appears distinct &lt;i&gt;to us&lt;/i&gt;, and I think he was intimating something along the lines of divine simplicity, but I&#039;m no Aquinas scholar.

Anyway, I&#039;m writing my MA thesis right now on contradiction, paradox, and irony in Hegel and Kierkegaard and couldn&#039;t help pipe up a bit :P

Peace,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weird, I didn&#8217;t mean to put that last smiley winky thing.  Makes me look extra dorky, hah.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what S.K. would say either, because he was usually&#8211;ironically&#8211;at an pseudonymously ironic distance in his aesthetic works.  Although, Anti-Climacus also does call Jesus Christ the &#8220;sign of contradiction&#8221; as he continued to talk about the paradoxical nature of the God-man.  Usually these things are built off the logical notion but point to more than that.  But who knows.  </p>
<p>I do know that Thomas Aquinas has a bit about how this stuff about Christ&#8217;s two natures only appears distinct <i>to us</i>, and I think he was intimating something along the lines of divine simplicity, but I&#8217;m no Aquinas scholar.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m writing my MA thesis right now on contradiction, paradox, and irony in Hegel and Kierkegaard and couldn&#8217;t help pipe up a bit <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, fair point. Though, I guess I&#039;ve always wanted to distinguish between genuine contradictions and &quot;paradoxes&quot; that only &lt;i&gt;appear&lt;/i&gt; to be contradictions but, if we knew more, we&#039;d see that they weren&#039;t. (I&#039;m not sure what S.K. would say about that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, fair point. Though, I guess I&#8217;ve always wanted to distinguish between genuine contradictions and &#8220;paradoxes&#8221; that only <i>appear</i> to be contradictions but, if we knew more, we&#8217;d see that they weren&#8217;t. (I&#8217;m not sure what S.K. would say about that!)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee,

Excellent post, thank you.  I can&#039;t help but notice just one teeny tiny thing: &quot;These are real differences of belief about the divine nature: there’s no virtue in trying to believe a contradiction.&quot;  What you are referring to there is exactly right, but I would just add that the incarnation in the Chalcedonian formula &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a &#039;contradiction&#039; of sorts in the hypostatic union of the two wills ;)  (Hence all of Kierkegaard&#039;s writings as Climacus, especially in the &lt;i&gt;Fragments&lt;/i&gt; of Christ as the &quot;Absolute paradox.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee,</p>
<p>Excellent post, thank you.  I can&#8217;t help but notice just one teeny tiny thing: &#8220;These are real differences of belief about the divine nature: there’s no virtue in trying to believe a contradiction.&#8221;  What you are referring to there is exactly right, but I would just add that the incarnation in the Chalcedonian formula <i>is</i> a &#8216;contradiction&#8217; of sorts in the hypostatic union of the two wills <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Hence all of Kierkegaard&#8217;s writings as Climacus, especially in the <i>Fragments</i> of Christ as the &#8220;Absolute paradox.&#8221;)</p>
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